Comments on: Questions about survivalist weapons? http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/ 2012 info and theories Sun, 01 Jul 2012 05:30:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Darren http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-11751 Darren Mon, 03 May 2010 07:08:02 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-11751 I would say the 7600 because the pump action is going to be more reliable and the sound of the pump is very scary, but a 12 gauge would really work just fine and for the pistol the Beretta is a great pistol but i would go with either a .40 or a .45. Other info..... http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/223_ammunition.html I would say the 7600 because the pump action is going to be more reliable and the sound of the pump is very scary, but a 12 gauge would really work just fine and for the pistol the Beretta is a great pistol but i would go with either a .40 or a .45.

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]]> By: Brandon Di Rocco http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-11628 Brandon Di Rocco Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:07:59 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-11628 if your going for home defence i would say get a M1911A1 Colt .45 and load her up with hollowpoints 1 shot stopping power much better than the 9mm and it looks a hell of alot better than a beretta. Other info..... http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/223_ammunition.html if your going for home defence i would say get a M1911A1 Colt .45 and load her up with hollowpoints 1 shot stopping power much better than the 9mm and it looks a hell of alot better than a beretta.

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]]> By: C_F_45 http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-11464 C_F_45 Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:08:52 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-11464 I suggest you read "Survival Guns" by Mel Tappan. IMO, this is far and away the best book ever written on the subject. >>Survivalist<< "Life After Doomsday" - Dr Bruce Clayton The Paladin Press http://www.palladin-press.com Specializes in survival related subjects. >>Good rifle and handgun for defensive purposes?<< The AR-15 is designed to shoot man stopping rounds, time after time after time for hours on end, the Remington 7600 is not. One is a defensive firearm, the other is a hunting arm. IMO the 9mm is a very poor man stopper, when compared to the .45acp The Beretta 92 9mm would be a much better choice than a S&W .38spl I'm just saying that IMO, it's not the best defensive handgun. A good survival battery for one person isn't going to be the same for everyone. There are many factors that must be taken into consideration. You should also have enough food, water and necessities on hand to last at least 6 months. You're going to feel pretty stupid if you have to go out looking for TP and get yourself shot Other info..... http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/223_ammunition.html I suggest you read “Survival Guns” by Mel Tappan.

IMO, this is far and away the best book ever written on the subject.

>>Survivalist< <
"Life After Doomsday" - Dr Bruce Clayton

The Paladin Press
http://www.palladin-press.com
Specializes in survival related subjects.

>>Good rifle and handgun for defensive purposes?< <
The AR-15 is designed to shoot man stopping rounds, time after time after time for hours on end, the Remington 7600 is not. One is a defensive firearm, the other is a hunting arm.

IMO the 9mm is a very poor man stopper, when compared to the .45acp

The Beretta 92 9mm would be a much better choice than a S&W .38spl

I'm just saying that IMO, it's not the best defensive handgun.

A good survival battery for one person isn't going to be the same for everyone. There are many factors that must be taken into consideration.

You should also have enough food, water and necessities on hand to last at least 6 months. You're going to feel pretty stupid if you have to go out looking for TP and get yourself shot

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http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/223_ammunition.html

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]]> By: METROPOLIS1 http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-11275 METROPOLIS1 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:10:38 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-11275 Here's my opinion on a survivalist rifle.... Avoid those sinister looking "black rifles"...... All an AR15 or Ak47 type rifle is going to do is draw unwanted attention to yourself.... Consider a Ruger Mini 14.... Its more reliable than any AR, easy to clear a jamb, fail to feed or fail to fire, accepts box magazines, use cheap ammo and is accurate enough to extricate yourself from a bad social situation..... And most of all its "polite" looking....... http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5843&return=Y http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5802&return=Y http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-NEWMini14.htm The key to success with a Mini 14 is to have quality box magazines.... this will ensure reliability.... It also uses the .223 cartridges which can be purchased in bulk and is easier to transport in large amounts.... The 30-06 is to powerful for a survivalist cartridge....... DO YOURself a favor and read this article about how this guy survived the economic collapse in Argentina about 10 years ago... His opinions on firearms are priceless.... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae0_1237054773 Other info..... http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/223_ammunition.html Here’s my opinion on a survivalist rifle…. Avoid those sinister looking “black rifles”…… All an AR15 or Ak47 type rifle is going to do is draw unwanted attention to yourself….

Consider a Ruger Mini 14…. Its more reliable than any AR, easy to clear a jamb, fail to feed or fail to fire, accepts box magazines, use cheap ammo and is accurate enough to extricate yourself from a bad social situation…..

And most of all its “polite” looking…….

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5843&return=Y

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5802&return=Y

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-NEWMini14.htm

The key to success with a Mini 14 is to have quality box magazines…. this will ensure reliability….

It also uses the .223 cartridges which can be purchased in bulk and is easier to transport in large amounts…. The 30-06 is to powerful for a survivalist cartridge…….

DO YOURself a favor and read this article about how this guy survived the economic collapse in Argentina about 10 years ago… His opinions on firearms are priceless….

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae0_1237054773

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http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/223_ammunition.html

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]]> By: BasinBictory http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-11028 BasinBictory Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:07:24 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-11028 Sounds like you already have plenty. Here's an old adage that I find interesting (and quite apt for the survivalist/minimalist crowd): "A handgun for the bedroom, a shotgun for the door, a 30-06 for reaching out, you don't need any more." In a true survivalist situation, where you may have to be mobile, having a few, dependable guns you're familiar with and can shoot well will serve you better than an arsenal of diverse weapons chambered in myriad calibers. In point of fact, when i thought about such a thing, I went and bought a revolver/lever-action rifle combo in .357 Magnum. I like hte idea of these guns because not only are the chambered in the same cartridge and therefore that simplifies my supply issues, neither of them have detachable magazines which can be lost/damaged. A double-action revolver, and a tube-magazine lever-action. As mentioned, those types of guns also don't look quite as "threatening" if you're in the FEMA line than say, an AR-15 or AK. gun owner, NRA member Sounds like you already have plenty.

Here’s an old adage that I find interesting (and quite apt for the survivalist/minimalist crowd): “A handgun for the bedroom, a shotgun for the door, a 30-06 for reaching out, you don’t need any more.”

In a true survivalist situation, where you may have to be mobile, having a few, dependable guns you’re familiar with and can shoot well will serve you better than an arsenal of diverse weapons chambered in myriad calibers. In point of fact, when i thought about such a thing, I went and bought a revolver/lever-action rifle combo in .357 Magnum. I like hte idea of these guns because not only are the chambered in the same cartridge and therefore that simplifies my supply issues, neither of them have detachable magazines which can be lost/damaged. A double-action revolver, and a tube-magazine lever-action. As mentioned, those types of guns also don’t look quite as “threatening” if you’re in the FEMA line than say, an AR-15 or AK.

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]]> By: eddygordo19 http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-10741 eddygordo19 Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:10:30 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-10741 You already have a 30 06, so go with the AR. Of the guns you mentioned, only the AR will give you semi auto speed, rifle range and high capacity. http://www.semiautorifles.com/forums/ You already have a 30 06, so go with the AR. Of the guns you mentioned, only the AR will give you semi auto speed, rifle range and high capacity.

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]]> By: Joe http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-10388 Joe Thu, 08 Apr 2010 06:10:33 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-10388 shotgun for home defense and for survival an ar15 and 9mm handgun try glock17 will be just fine and will surve you well oya and 9mm is plety good plus you can carry more rounds but make them count go with the 30 round mags for the ar15 if you can and what ever gun fits you best if you like berettas stay with berettas hope this helped http://www.semiautorifles.com/forums/ shotgun for home defense and for survival an ar15 and 9mm handgun try glock17 will be just fine and will surve you well oya and 9mm is plety good plus you can carry more rounds but make them count go with the 30 round mags for the ar15 if you can and what ever gun fits you best if you like berettas stay with berettas hope this helped

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]]> By: Pete USMC http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-9981 Pete USMC Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:07:11 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-9981 If you want a good semi auto 30-06 get a M1 garand. They are heavy but the parts are so big that they never break. In a survival situation you don't want to be looking for new parts. I have one and love it. I've used and abused it. All it needs is grease. (And of course cleaning) From what I hear the 7600 is a bit unreliable and wears out much faster than a M1. As far as your pistol is concerned, I would get a Glock. They are much more reliable than a Beretta in my experience and they have durable, rust resistant, and simple parts. Get it in the largest caliber you can shoot accurately and comfortably. http://www.semiautorifles.com/forums/ If you want a good semi auto 30-06 get a M1 garand. They are heavy but the parts are so big that they never break. In a survival situation you don’t want to be looking for new parts. I have one and love it. I’ve used and abused it. All it needs is grease. (And of course cleaning) From what I hear the 7600 is a bit unreliable and wears out much faster than a M1.

As far as your pistol is concerned, I would get a Glock. They are much more reliable than a Beretta in my experience and they have durable, rust resistant, and simple parts. Get it in the largest caliber you can shoot accurately and comfortably.

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]]> By: Hangfire http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-9573 Hangfire Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:06:55 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-9573 I'm assuming you're talking about a SHTF scenario. Anyhow, the AR15 is a good weapon system and very light weight. This comes in hand if you have to make a 10 mile hike etc. As for the Beretta is a proven weapon system but a little on the bulky side. If this firearm fits you and I say go for it. I own both the AR15 and Beretta and have no regrets. Here is a picture of my Bushmaster and Beretta 92fs (first post/picture) http://www.semiautorifles.com/forums/f11/offical-ar-picture-thread-20.html http://www.semiautorifles.com/forums/ I’m assuming you’re talking about a SHTF scenario.

Anyhow, the AR15 is a good weapon system and very light weight. This comes in hand if you have to make a 10 mile hike etc. As for the Beretta is a proven weapon system but a little on the bulky side. If this firearm fits you and I say go for it. I own both the AR15 and Beretta and have no regrets.

Here is a picture of my Bushmaster and Beretta 92fs (first post/picture)
http://www.semiautorifles.com/forums/f11/offical-ar-picture-thread-20.html

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]]> By: Chris http://2012messenger.com/storing-food/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/comment-page-1/#comment-9205 Chris Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:07:34 +0000 http://2012messenger.com/2036/questions-about-survivalist-weapons/#comment-9205 Personally I'd buy a AR now, at least if any laws get passed out of congress you'll want to get one before they go into effect. It'll take some rather strict laws to make you unable to buy a 7600. After the AR I'd suggest one of the good FN FAL type rifles such as made by DS Arms or a AR-10 type of rifle just to have something serious in .308 Win./7.62mm NATO. One other thing, you could get the 7600 in .308 and have a gunsmith shorten the 22" bbl to 18" if you really feel a need for it to be shorter. The Beretta is a fine handgun, reasonably accurate and reliable. Any decent 9mm luger JHP load is better then most handgun loads of any caliber in non-HP form. And the differences when compared to other JHP loads are rather small in real world shootings. Besides rarely do you shoot a person once. Most training calls for two fast shots to center of mass and then you evaluate the effect/response. If the opponent is still a threat you reengage until they are out of the fight and no longer a threat. Cheaper ammo costs and lighter recoil tend to equal more practice. More practice also usually means higher skill level with said firearm. Don't believe anyone telling you that you are under gunned with a 9mm if you know how to use it properly. http://www.odcmp.com/ Personally I’d buy a AR now, at least if any laws get passed out of congress you’ll want to get one before they go into effect. It’ll take some rather strict laws to make you unable to buy a 7600. After the AR I’d suggest one of the good FN FAL type rifles such as made by DS Arms or a AR-10 type of rifle just to have something serious in .308 Win./7.62mm NATO.
One other thing, you could get the 7600 in .308 and have a gunsmith shorten the 22″ bbl to 18″ if you really feel a need for it to be shorter.

The Beretta is a fine handgun, reasonably accurate and reliable. Any decent 9mm luger JHP load is better then most handgun loads of any caliber in non-HP form. And the differences when compared to other JHP loads are rather small in real world shootings. Besides rarely do you shoot a person once. Most training calls for two fast shots to center of mass and then you evaluate the effect/response. If the opponent is still a threat you reengage until they are out of the fight and no longer a threat. Cheaper ammo costs and lighter recoil tend to equal more practice. More practice also usually means higher skill level with said firearm. Don’t believe anyone telling you that you are under gunned with a 9mm if you know how to use it properly.

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